Making a Start
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Frostie
Robfishman
Steve Traill
Tim Watson
lynnr
Chris.C
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Making a Start
Hello everyone!
Just want to say hi and give a little intro. After spending every summer from the age of 4 to 14 watching my grandfather (Dennis Weeks) build a 4” Burrell, Foster and Portable from scratch I became fixated with Steam Models anything any size! I attended every steam rally I could. Unfortunately he passed away and the family didn’t feel the engines were for them due to no experience running and maintaining them so they were all sold off (to my disappointment, as I had imagined running them all ). I spent the next 12 years pondering what could be done.
However I am now 26 and have the spare time to build one from the kits that STW supply. With a limited knowledge of engineering STW kits are a gift from the powers above for myself and others like me. I’m now waiting for the first kit to arrive and look forward to the cuts and bruises I will be getting.
I have seen so many beautiful engines on this forum and I look forward to adding my engine to the ever growing gallery.
Regards
Chris
Just want to say hi and give a little intro. After spending every summer from the age of 4 to 14 watching my grandfather (Dennis Weeks) build a 4” Burrell, Foster and Portable from scratch I became fixated with Steam Models anything any size! I attended every steam rally I could. Unfortunately he passed away and the family didn’t feel the engines were for them due to no experience running and maintaining them so they were all sold off (to my disappointment, as I had imagined running them all ). I spent the next 12 years pondering what could be done.
However I am now 26 and have the spare time to build one from the kits that STW supply. With a limited knowledge of engineering STW kits are a gift from the powers above for myself and others like me. I’m now waiting for the first kit to arrive and look forward to the cuts and bruises I will be getting.
I have seen so many beautiful engines on this forum and I look forward to adding my engine to the ever growing gallery.
Regards
Chris
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
Welcome aboard Chris.
Yes you will get cuts etc. also say goodbye to your nails.
Yes you will get cuts etc. also say goodbye to your nails.
lynnr- Number of posts : 3242
Age : 55
Location : Highland, 4inch showman
Registration date : 2010-08-06
Re: Making a Start
Thanks Lynn. seen some brilliant pics of your showmans engine.
Regards
Chris
Regards
Chris
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
Chris:
You'll have great fun. I have.
Tim
You'll have great fun. I have.
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
Location : Herts
Registration date : 2008-07-02
Welcome to the Club
Having built three of these engines they are a well sorted, powerfull engine. Enjoy the build, take your time with each kit and the finished result will give pleasure for many years.
Steve Traill- Number of posts : 800
Age : 67
Location : Illogan Redruth Cornwall
Registration date : 2008-06-29
Re: Making a Start
Welcome to the forum Chris, weekends and spare time will never be the same !!!
Enjoy the build, the last few bits, and the first steaming give an enormous sense of pride and achievment.
Good luck mate.
Mal
Enjoy the build, the last few bits, and the first steaming give an enormous sense of pride and achievment.
Good luck mate.
Mal
Frostie- Number of posts : 145
Age : 76
Location : Bodmin Cornwall
Registration date : 2010-09-10
Re: Making a Start
Thanks for the welcome people! I'm sure I will be picking your brains at some point!
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
Hi all,
couple of questions for all of you, any help would be appreciated.
Q1. How did you go about preparing your metals for primer and undercoat?
Q2 What paint did you use for the boiler and hornplates?
Q3 would it be easier to get it sand blasted? if so what would be the rough cost?
Thanks in advance
Chris
couple of questions for all of you, any help would be appreciated.
Q1. How did you go about preparing your metals for primer and undercoat?
Q2 What paint did you use for the boiler and hornplates?
Q3 would it be easier to get it sand blasted? if so what would be the rough cost?
Thanks in advance
Chris
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Preparing the metal
Hi Chris
What I use for preparing the metal are various flap wheels and a 4" grinder. Use the grinder for taking the sharp edges off and then a flap wheel in a drill to smooth it all off. To get the millscale off there are various wheels that fit a small grinder but they are all quite expensive and I've found they don't last very long. The best thing I've found is a rubber wheel with tungsten teeth in it. It fits in a drill and at a slow speed takes the millscale off easily. I picked it up at Dorset this year in the NTET tent. It leaves a sort of shot blasted finish which gives the paint plenty to grip to.
I recommend the Craftmaster paints, the enamel range have all the traditional engine colours and it gives a really hard finish. For brushing use straight out of the tin or for spraying thin by about 5% depending on the temperature you're spraying in.
Sand blasting is good for a paint finish and if you have someone nearby then I would use them, one word of warning though some industrial sandblasters can leave a really rough finish that is hard to get smooth again. Check the finish before handing over any parts! Costs vary depending on how busy they are so shop around.
What I use for preparing the metal are various flap wheels and a 4" grinder. Use the grinder for taking the sharp edges off and then a flap wheel in a drill to smooth it all off. To get the millscale off there are various wheels that fit a small grinder but they are all quite expensive and I've found they don't last very long. The best thing I've found is a rubber wheel with tungsten teeth in it. It fits in a drill and at a slow speed takes the millscale off easily. I picked it up at Dorset this year in the NTET tent. It leaves a sort of shot blasted finish which gives the paint plenty to grip to.
I recommend the Craftmaster paints, the enamel range have all the traditional engine colours and it gives a really hard finish. For brushing use straight out of the tin or for spraying thin by about 5% depending on the temperature you're spraying in.
Sand blasting is good for a paint finish and if you have someone nearby then I would use them, one word of warning though some industrial sandblasters can leave a really rough finish that is hard to get smooth again. Check the finish before handing over any parts! Costs vary depending on how busy they are so shop around.
Steve Traill- Number of posts : 800
Age : 67
Location : Illogan Redruth Cornwall
Registration date : 2008-06-29
Re: Making a Start
Thanks for the info Steve this has helped.
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
Is it best to use heat proof paint for the boiler?
What about the hornplates? (Standard enamel?)
What about the hornplates? (Standard enamel?)
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
1st Kit arrived today! Time to get dirty
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
Congratulation on first kit.
On the boiler I used stove heat resistant paint as it only needs 200 degC couple coats and I also done a heavy coat of zinc primer on top. The sides of the boiler I kept to 1 coat of heat resistant 500degC and quite thin. This area is well covered so should not take impact and you want think where the hornplates touch so that the paint does not thin out and loosen the horn plates.
On my horn plates I have used standard paints. In my case 2pak imron coach paint as the hornplates should not get overly hot.
On the boiler I used stove heat resistant paint as it only needs 200 degC couple coats and I also done a heavy coat of zinc primer on top. The sides of the boiler I kept to 1 coat of heat resistant 500degC and quite thin. This area is well covered so should not take impact and you want think where the hornplates touch so that the paint does not thin out and loosen the horn plates.
On my horn plates I have used standard paints. In my case 2pak imron coach paint as the hornplates should not get overly hot.
lynnr- Number of posts : 3242
Age : 55
Location : Highland, 4inch showman
Registration date : 2010-08-06
Re: Making a Start
[quote="Chris.C"]1st Kit arrived today! Time to get dirty
Oh, you're just gonna love that isoflex.....
Oh, you're just gonna love that isoflex.....
AndrewR- Number of posts : 20
Location : Waikato, New Zealand.
Registration date : 2011-08-15
Finally Xmas is over!
Finally the Xmas period has ended, managed to kindly convince my mum to build a large garage/shed in the garden before Xmas and to my surprise its nearly finished. She is as excited about this project as i am.
2nd kit came before Xmas as soon as the electrics are installed i will be posting build photos and plan to keep my own little build diary.
One problem i have encountered is that the clue to hold the rubber Tyre together has come loose and i know have one round Tyre and one long piece of rubber! any info on what i can use to re glue it?
2nd kit came before Xmas as soon as the electrics are installed i will be posting build photos and plan to keep my own little build diary.
One problem i have encountered is that the clue to hold the rubber Tyre together has come loose and i know have one round Tyre and one long piece of rubber! any info on what i can use to re glue it?
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
I think simple superglue is used, but check with Steve. He may suggest sending back.
lynnr- Number of posts : 3242
Age : 55
Location : Highland, 4inch showman
Registration date : 2010-08-06
Re: Making a Start
yes super glue get a good one
Richard- Number of posts : 105
Location : sway hampshire
Registration date : 2011-09-08
Re: Making a Start
Thank you, wanted to double check before i get covered in it
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
3rd Kit
3rd Kit arrived last week, Garage/Large Shed will be finished in the next week so i can get started Missus wont be happy im going to be coming home covered in ISOFLEX!
Been trying to find Julia Olds build diary but the links provided are not working, can anyone provide info?
Been trying to find Julia Olds build diary but the links provided are not working, can anyone provide info?
Chris.C- Number of posts : 11
Location : Bournemouth
Registration date : 2012-10-10
Re: Making a Start
Traction talk has a working link or I think one of the steam suppliers do possibly berrybrook?
lynnr- Number of posts : 3242
Age : 55
Location : Highland, 4inch showman
Registration date : 2010-08-06
Burrell Builders Diary by Julia Old
Chris
Got my copy of Julia Old's Burrell Builders Diary from MJ Engineering Tel. 01252 890777
The Forge, Cricket Hill Lane, Yateley, Hampshire GU46 6BB
About £29 if I remember correctly but well worth a read - has helped me a lot so far with my build
Regards,
Simon
Got my copy of Julia Old's Burrell Builders Diary from MJ Engineering Tel. 01252 890777
The Forge, Cricket Hill Lane, Yateley, Hampshire GU46 6BB
About £29 if I remember correctly but well worth a read - has helped me a lot so far with my build
Regards,
Simon
simonbos- Number of posts : 76
Location : essex
Registration date : 2012-09-20
Re: Making a Start
Here you go Chris
If you are a memeber of Traction Talk you should be able to follow this link. There is a picture in the middle of the page, you just click on it and it asks you if you want to save the file or open it.
http://www.tractiontalkforum.com/showthread.php?t=11246
Regards
Brian
If you are a memeber of Traction Talk you should be able to follow this link. There is a picture in the middle of the page, you just click on it and it asks you if you want to save the file or open it.
http://www.tractiontalkforum.com/showthread.php?t=11246
Regards
Brian
bjwlancashire- Number of posts : 938
Location : Mellor, Lancashire
Registration date : 2010-09-07
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