Frederick SRL(S)
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Bit difficult to gauge as the coal was supplied loose at GDSF. However, we only burnt a bunker full each evening when generating, so probably more economical. Size is less of an issue of course, but I generally go for big lumps.
Tim
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Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
That does sound like it is. I think I shall be ordering myself a lump of steel. Might cheat a little and see if I can find someone to set it up on one of those new fangled CNC things to drill the holes, although I suppose if I did some every evening it wouldnt take too long.
I was going to say can you give us a close up picture of how much of a bow has happened.
I was going to say can you give us a close up picture of how much of a bow has happened.
LiveSteam- Number of posts : 777
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
The amount of sag is about 6mm at the middle of the length: about the same as the conventional bars in use.
Tim
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Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Been thinking a bit more about this and wondered if a stainless plate might be worth the investment ?
LiveSteam- Number of posts : 777
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Only if someone else drills the holes!
Tim
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Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
yeah did wonder about that aspect
LiveSteam- Number of posts : 777
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Tim,
If you did another, as the holes are all aligned, do you think there would be any mileage in welding a few webs along the back.
I am considering this as I am still in the build process, and I can get the initial holes knocked through on a water jet cutter.
Mark.
If you did another, as the holes are all aligned, do you think there would be any mileage in welding a few webs along the back.
I am considering this as I am still in the build process, and I can get the initial holes knocked through on a water jet cutter.
Mark.
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
There might be a case for webs Mark, but it is already quite heavy. It may stay with that slight sag. I have a few runs lined up over September, so will keep an eye on it.
Tim
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Tim Watson wrote:
This modification will make life so much easier and cleaner for oiling up. I will probably do a similar exercise on the nearside hind wheel oiler, but this one is less of a problem for access. If you are making a new engine, I would strongly recommend a similar type of modification BEFORE you get all the other stuff on your engine.
Tim
Hi Tim
i‘d like to follow your recommendation and alter the oiling accordingly. Where did you get the T-fitting, been trying to find such a small one, but the ones I‘ve found seemed to be much larger.
Elwood
elwood-59- Number of posts : 300
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Hi Elwood
http://www.steamfittings.co.uk/asp/components.asp?CatID=40&SubCatID=66
Has various.
I am thinking of doing mine and the 2nd shaft this winter.
http://www.steamfittings.co.uk/asp/components.asp?CatID=40&SubCatID=66
Has various.
I am thinking of doing mine and the 2nd shaft this winter.
lynnr- Number of posts : 3242
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
With the high mileage that Frederick has done on the road and at some speed I was pleased to see that the mesh on the drive gears has shown up a perfect long oval in the middle of the teeth. Credit to the design and the machining of the gears for this to be so.
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
lynnr wrote:Hi Elwood
http://www.steamfittings.co.uk/asp/components.asp?CatID=40&SubCatID=66
Has various.
I am thinking of doing mine and the 2nd shaft this winter.
I don’t think there is any reason for the Tee piece, other than it being in the bits box. A right angle joiner should suffice: one end is blocked off.
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Hi Tim,
Yes, of course, for the function an elbow would be sufficient, I was only thinking about the T as I liked the idea to be able to check if oil is coming down just to the top of the axle box.
@ Lynn yes I knew „steamfittings.co.uk“ and had placed an order there - excellent & quick service (delivery to Germany!) but their T fittings are - for this application - quite large. But then again, they were not meant for that either...
THX
Elwood
Struggling with the gears on the crankshaft and hoping that this time the paint on the tender does come out better - three time is the charm ?
Yes, of course, for the function an elbow would be sufficient, I was only thinking about the T as I liked the idea to be able to check if oil is coming down just to the top of the axle box.
@ Lynn yes I knew „steamfittings.co.uk“ and had placed an order there - excellent & quick service (delivery to Germany!) but their T fittings are - for this application - quite large. But then again, they were not meant for that either...
THX
Elwood
Struggling with the gears on the crankshaft and hoping that this time the paint on the tender does come out better - three time is the charm ?
elwood-59- Number of posts : 300
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Clack not seating
During our recent epic road run the injector worked very well (probably because it was receiving a constant flow of cold water) but has subsequently become less reliable, clearly due to blow-back from the boiler clack. It was dribbling and letting steam by, which was stopped by turning off the clack.
On examination of the clack at Old Warden rally, and today, it was evident that the ball had dished out the seating too much: as can be seen in the photo, which shows a little bit of the seating cleaned up (bright ring) to show the inner bevelled opening.
I am fortunate to have a stepped mill that is an exact sliding fit for the pipe opening. It has a morse taper and so runs true in the drill press and self centres down the feed pipe bore, with the clack casting secured in a machine vice.
This was then used to tidy up the seating, by removing 0.6mm and the ball just tapped into it using a brass drift and hammer.
The clack top cap had a new limiter bolt fitted. The vertical clearance for the ball should be 1/3rd it’s diameter.
Won’t know if it’s been successful now until next season, as Frederick is drained down for the winter: it should be substantially better.
Thank you to everyone who has donated to our Parkinson’s UK Justgiving Page.
Tim
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On examination of the clack at Old Warden rally, and today, it was evident that the ball had dished out the seating too much: as can be seen in the photo, which shows a little bit of the seating cleaned up (bright ring) to show the inner bevelled opening.
I am fortunate to have a stepped mill that is an exact sliding fit for the pipe opening. It has a morse taper and so runs true in the drill press and self centres down the feed pipe bore, with the clack casting secured in a machine vice.
This was then used to tidy up the seating, by removing 0.6mm and the ball just tapped into it using a brass drift and hammer.
The clack top cap had a new limiter bolt fitted. The vertical clearance for the ball should be 1/3rd it’s diameter.
Won’t know if it’s been successful now until next season, as Frederick is drained down for the winter: it should be substantially better.
Thank you to everyone who has donated to our Parkinson’s UK Justgiving Page.
Tim
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/parkinsons-miniaturesteamrun
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Thought it was about time for a Frederick update. Keeping an engine clean is a challenge; one could say Frederick is a clean working engine. Wrapping cling film around the brass helps to keep it from tarnishing between shows.
https://i.servimg.com/u/f17/14/59/25/36/7f440a10.jpg
This was just before the Statfold Barn rally last weekend.
Ongoing maintenance is obviously important. I tightened up the HP side of the valve gear after the GDSF run and am currently working in the LP side. The forward eccentric rod had begun to ‘work’ on the tee piece and that has subsequently been grit blasted, re-silver soldered and cleaned up again.
Had a relaxing time at Statfold Barn.
I have a few road runs in the next couple of weeks, so it will be good to have the engine in top order.
Tim
https://i.servimg.com/u/f17/14/59/25/36/7f440a10.jpg
This was just before the Statfold Barn rally last weekend.
Ongoing maintenance is obviously important. I tightened up the HP side of the valve gear after the GDSF run and am currently working in the LP side. The forward eccentric rod had begun to ‘work’ on the tee piece and that has subsequently been grit blasted, re-silver soldered and cleaned up again.
Had a relaxing time at Statfold Barn.
I have a few road runs in the next couple of weeks, so it will be good to have the engine in top order.
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
It's definitely worth checking this area after some running as I found mine had also worked loose and has now been silver soldered too. You wouldnt want that giving way at full tick.
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Once you start, one job leads to another: I have now fitted a new bespoke oversize pin on the forward eccentric rod (cross-taper-pinned to prevent rotation), a new oversize pin in the end of the valve spindle in the die block, taken up the LP big end with a packing on the wedge (Frederick will soon need new brasses) and tightened up the forward eccentric, so that there is now little or no lost motion in the valve gear.
Frederick should be a very crisp runner for a four mile run to the Herts Auto Show on Sunday.
Tim
Frederick should be a very crisp runner for a four mile run to the Herts Auto Show on Sunday.
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
It’s a long time since I posted on the forum. Frederick has re-emerged from the lockdowns this season and attended a few rallies. The most useful modification has been the fitting of a Holroyd injector and John Rex single-sided water valve. The latter has a 50% increase in hole area, so much bigger throughput and the latter is just magnificent! It is virtually silent, works from 40PSI up to 180PSI and doesn’t easily knock off on bumpy surfaces.
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In other areas, rust had eaten away my firing shovel.
So it was cut away and a new end spliced on with a generous amount of silver solder.
Most recently, I have re-pinned the valve gear as per my previous post of May 2019. Clearly the steel I used wasn’t that hard wearing, so Frederick now has new HP valve gear pins made from silver steel.
Looking forward to GDSF next week to try it all out. Do call by for a chat if your visiting the show.
Tim
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In other areas, rust had eaten away my firing shovel.
So it was cut away and a new end spliced on with a generous amount of silver solder.
Most recently, I have re-pinned the valve gear as per my previous post of May 2019. Clearly the steel I used wasn’t that hard wearing, so Frederick now has new HP valve gear pins made from silver steel.
Looking forward to GDSF next week to try it all out. Do call by for a chat if your visiting the show.
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
I had a great time at GDSF, especially in the bespoke SAC playpen. However, the very rough ground and constant turning exacerbated some of the rumbles emanating from Frederick’s back end.
Frederick has had some pretty intensive attention to the drive train over the last few days. It became evident at GDSF that the pump drive was ’knocking’.
So wheel off, then flywheel.
There is a small brass locating dowel that horizontally restrains the pump gear drive shaft: this had worn and was letting it move sideways too much. It was replaced with a new one made from phosphor bronze.
Hopefully good for a few hundred more miles.
Tim
Frederick has had some pretty intensive attention to the drive train over the last few days. It became evident at GDSF that the pump drive was ’knocking’.
So wheel off, then flywheel.
There is a small brass locating dowel that horizontally restrains the pump gear drive shaft: this had worn and was letting it move sideways too much. It was replaced with a new one made from phosphor bronze.
Hopefully good for a few hundred more miles.
Tim
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Saw you at GDSF on my quick day trip and meant to pop over and say "Hi" but my day unexpectedly changed as I got a chance to mess about on a full size in the Heavy Haulage arena in the morning and a 6" in the afternoon, well it would have been rude not to
But you are right about the ground being rough, even on the 6" it made my bones feel like they were being mashed, so can only imagine what its like on a smaller scale.
But you are right about the ground being rough, even on the 6" it made my bones feel like they were being mashed, so can only imagine what its like on a smaller scale.
LiveSteam- Number of posts : 777
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Re: Frederick SRL(S)
Continuing with the Frederick drive train refurbishment, it was clear that there was too much ‘clunking’ in the gears on the left: probably exacerbated by the rough ground at GDSF and continuous circuits of the SAC playpen.
The compensating gear was dismantled and it was found that one of the pinion pins had worked loose, allowing the gear too much freedom of movement on the bevels. The bushes on this gear had worn and so were replaced. The bushes on the two other pinions were fairly tight but replaced anyway.
Should be good for a few hundred more miles.
The compensating gear was dismantled and it was found that one of the pinion pins had worked loose, allowing the gear too much freedom of movement on the bevels. The bushes on this gear had worn and so were replaced. The bushes on the two other pinions were fairly tight but replaced anyway.
Should be good for a few hundred more miles.
Tim Watson- Number of posts : 585
Location : Herts
Registration date : 2008-07-02
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